There’s no denying that we are in the midst of huge transformation on a personal and global scale, and it can feel deeply unsettling and rich with possibility. ((And everywhere in between!))

With a foundation in body liberation, intersectional justice, radical storytelling, and creative expression — and a unique ability to hold the spectrum of paradoxes —Jenny Downer is a powerful guide for this time.

As a mama to an 18-year old and 15-year old, a partner, advocate, artist, photographer, and a facilitator of visibility, Jenny practices looking at challenge and complexity with nuance and compassion. For years now, she’s used her work as a way to truth-tell and dive way beneath the surface, giving permission for others to share their own messy realness, and creating community in the process.

In our conversation, we talk about her recent neurodiversity diagnosis, her long-time commitment to shedding and shifting stigmas wherever she finds them, and what can happen when we step out of the hustle and let ourselves actually slow down and listen in.

You can find Jenny at www.shesawthings.com

And on Instagram @shesawthings